The Searching can now be found at

Please update your links



Blogging Holiday

I'll be leaving in mere hours to whisk my bride off to Mazatlan. We'll be gone 8 days, so I'll post again sometime after the 4th--hopefully with pictures of paradise to share.

So go peruse the thinkers on the left, and share your stories with them.




Back off of the Injured Reserve

Todd Hunter is back on the blog after a nearly month long hiatus. He's always a source of encouragement and inspiration for his fellow pioneers of the future.


"Worms are good; bunnies are bad."

Len's got a great post on leadership today(there doesn't seem to be a hyperlink--you'll have to scroll down). I've heard and used the gardening (see Tom and Lollie's image header) metaphor before, but his bullets articulate parts of that metaphor that I've never contemplated.
Doug Pagitt once proposed we ditch the word "leadership" with all its military implications, and find new language for talking about those who tend to communities. His preferred analogy was an organic gardener.

1. take crap and use it to nourish things
2. it isn't "dirt," it is soil, and the preparation and maintenance of the soil is really important
3. things that are garbage are used to grow the garden
4. vigilance is important
5. be willing to take smaller fruit in order for it to be truly healthy
6. gardening requires a systems understanding
7. gardens die every winter and require replanting
8. things can only grow in certain climates
9. hybrids don't reproduce
10. if you use miracle grow to start, you have to keep boosting the amount
11. what you plant next to what is important
12. you have very little to do with the success of the gardern, photosynthesis is still a mystery, you can't make it grow, it is a miracle
13. backs and knees are sore because you are down in the dirt, you don't stand above the garden
14. we need to protect the garden from bunnies. Worms are good, bunnies are bad.
15. organic fruit doesn't all look like the stuff in the market. Quality is over beauty, and there is no uniformity. you share from the excess.



And the winner is...

Chris Seay's first to market with his newest book, "The Gospel Reloaded". I wonder how many other authors are glaring from the wings...


Len Hjalmarson has a great blog that is almost as unique as his name. Go check out his post on Open Source Theology. Very encouraging Len--out of the mouths of babes...


A Servant's Perspective

Recent community dialogue has involved the exploration of the symbols of our community, to provide further ownership of our identity. The first of which is the chemical composition of water--h2o--which represents our identity as a fluid community. As we've been musing on the imagery of Luke 15, an element of the story has come recently into focus that is instrumental to both fluidity and community. The servant's perspective. In our dialogue on the servants' lives in this story, many interesting things were brought to the surface. To me, the most powerful of which, is that the servants were able to witness the big picture.

In this story which we refer to as that of the prodigal son, we seldom travel deeper into the story than to relate to the son in our own brokeness or to the father in our longsuffering love, or more often, to Father God in his. The picture here of the servant resonates throughout the Story of God. Here's what I love:
1. The servants observed the prodigal before his abandon of his family into his "distant country".
2. They observed the details around his departure.
3. They observed the anguish and pain of the father over his lost son.
4. They observed the embrace and reinstatement of his return.
5. They adorned the redeemed one, and were the catalyst for the father's display of love for him (dressed him in a fine robe, adorned his fingers with rings, and through a huge party to celebrate his return). They were the medium through which the story of redemption was told.

I love this: I love that they were able to see the whole story because of their posture (obligated or otherwise) of servitude.

We see the same in John 2 , the account of Christ's first miracle (although I wonder what of his life wasn't miraculous). Mary directs the servants at the wedding to do whatever her son asks. We know the story--the water changes into wine, and all are amazed. But the catalyst (other than the incarnation of the supernatural) was again, the servants. That were able to see the entire picture. The end of the story says, "This, the first of his miraculous signs, Jesus performed in Cana of Galilee. He thus revealed his glory, and his disciples put their faith in him." He revealed his glory...and through whom? The servants.

They not only witnessed the tangibility of a God, but became the very medium of that tangibility to everyone else at the wedding. The story was theirs to share.



On the Soliton:

Here's an email conversation with Mike Todd (my inspiration for posting this) regarding the Soliton Sessions, an event hosted by the Soliton Network. The sessions will be an intimate (no more than 150 people), interactive 3 days of conversation, faciliatated by some very provoctive thinkers in September (see the link--and then register to come =) ).
Hi Jared:

Thanks. I actually just returned from lunch where I showed a friend the Soliton speaker sheet and suggested we may be due for a road trip! Q & A, eh? Let's start with Soliton - where did the word come from (forgive me if it's on the site - I'm a "scanner")


Hey Mike:

Another week coming to a close...As I am now experiencing a lull in my friday, I figured it'd be a great time to drop you that unabridged novel on the "Soliton" I promised you.

The concept of the Soliton exists on a few different planes: mathematical, natural, and now philosophical. It was orginally coined by a young Scottish engineer named John Scott Russell in Edinburgh in 1834. He was watching a boat steam down a river, and the boat stopped. As the boat slowed and came to a halt, Russell noticed that the wave created by the boats's movement continued far after the boat stopped. On horseback, he followed this wave from the shore, for nearly two miles. It found it's way throughout most of the tranquil lake. Even when Russell could no longer see the wave's movement on the surface, he could see the plantlife beneath swaying with the water's invisible momentum. He described the Soliton as "the wave of translation". It is similar to other studies, such as The Doppler Effect, and the philosophical metaphors are great. From birth, the Soliton was the study of change that an object makes in its environment as it travels through water. Russell's objective was to quantify
that change through mathematic theory and measure it. Rather than digress mathematically and bore you, let's talk about it as a metaphor, philosophically and biblically.

The image of Soliton Existence[see the top of my blog] is that of a drop of liquid colliding with a larger body of liquid, immediately creating change from the center out. Philosphically, change is created in any and every environment in which we live--from the center, in our conversations for instance, and then travels outward (systemically, circularly, chaotically) as action births reaction. To embrace the metaphor of the Soliton is to realize that change occurs from the center-outward, and to submerge into our various centre's of culture, and create that subverse change througout a system.

Biblically, we see the Soliton in a very compelling way. It seems that life, creativity, and action are all presented throughout the story of God with quite a centrality to them. In the beginning, God is central; in creation, he is in the center of the garden; man is removed from the center for sin, and spends the rest of his mortal existence trying to get back to the center; with Christ, the language of the Gospel's is that he was always among, always in the center of the people and life; He dies in the center of the two thieves, suspended between heaven and earth; in Revelations the picture of his throne central in a sphere of eternity--the throne, the four living creatures, the 24 elders, the people--all surrounding him, resonating worship towards the center. And there are many, many stories in between the two covers. Even the heavens--elliptical paths of orbit and revolution around centers of gravity, which in turn revolve elliptically and circularly around other centers of gravity...and so on.

We believe this and live this at the bridge communities. Our gatherings(and life beyond sunday) take place at the center of our culture, our downtown environment, and everything [that can be] is set up in circles, creating little solitons of conversation and transformation based on sharing life in the round. The round is not only a symbol of shared life, but of the path that change naturally takes in any environment. It has required us to rethink the concept of "reaching out". For me, much of Soliton living in praxis has been the act of living my life as much as possible in the center of my culture--looking for where God is already creating change, and partnering with it.

So, the Soliton Network is essentially a network of resource and relationship we've created to partner with those desiring to fluidly transform their communities and cultures by expressing through visible life and tangible creativity the touchable Christ.

I'm out of breath. I sure hope some of that makes sense. And I continue to look forward to face-to-face dialogue with you.

Hopefully that will give you all some fun imagery for your weekend, and spark just enough interest for you to consider travelling out to Ventura, Ca. There may even be a pint in it for you.


Canada Saves The World

Why am I not surprised.


What is the nature and purpose of calling?

Thoughts from Leighton
Getting Direction from God
How much does God wish to direct our lives? Does everyone have specific callings for specific aspets of their life?

After a quick run through the NT I saw two types of calling. The call to Christ and the call to be something in Christ. Paul was called to be an apostle. Beyond some of these major things I think God gives us a lot of freedom. Gal 5:1 "For freedom Christ has set us free..." Sometimes God does give us specific instructions in specific situations, like Paul's man from Macedonia, but I think this is more the exception than the rule. There is so much practical wisdom in scripture it seems to indicate that people in the early church were given a lot of choice.

In some cases I think that the desire to spiritualize decision making is really attempt at averting responsibility. Sometimes making a hard decision requires understanding, patience and research. Instead of trying understand themselves and their situation some people would rather hear a word from the Lord. I believe very strongly in listening to God and receiving divine revelation. My experience has been that it is very easy for my emotions to influence what I think I am hearing from God. It's vitally important to be anchored in wisdom and understanding. Seeking spiritual direction without seeking wisdom and understanding quickly degenerates in to a quasi-spiritual ignorance.

Interesting thought. Leighton's certainly not afraid of asking the difficult questions. Yet another conversation of rennovation we need to have...

"Calling" is a word that is used so flippantly in the modern church--perhaps as much as "annointed" is in the world of charasmania (self-critical chuckle). It seems to be what everything boils down to. "Ulltimately, I cannot work at McDonald's, because I'm called to be a youth pastor." No one seems to be called to dump the trash, throw parties, hang out with people, or simply love anymore. Calling now solely inhabits the realms of title, authority, and vocation. We've taught people that true callings are : Missionary(aren't we all?), Senior Pastor(I wonder who invented the title 'Senior'?), Youth Pastor(because it is good to segregate our communities), Church Planter, Worship Leader, Teacher etc. And then you've got those for whom we have no explanation, so we say that, "and Mr. So-and-So is called to be a plumber", because, "not everyone can be in ministry. who would support us and bring in money for our programs and salaries? There are priests and kings. He is a king." (Apparently a king is anyone that works the daily grind for a paycheck--I wonder if...nevermind) We have developed an enormous strain on those coming up in the faith for discovering and pursuing their's life's vocation, before they travel a mile down that road. And we call that discovery and pursuit "calling". So, we train our youth to run off to camps and bible colleges to await "their calling" in life.

I wonder...

Maybe calling is little more than filling the needs of those that God surrounds you with. Obviously we've been born into mission, and I would agree that maybe God has plotted courses for each one of us to travel, but I'm beginning to wonder if calling may be less etherial and vast and more situational than we've made it over the last 20 years. Take Mother Teresa. I know that she did not go to Fuller or Life, and I am pretty sure she never went to get her Dr. Div. (not that those are bad things necessarily). How did she find her "calling"? Love & compassion--arguably the same way that Christ was defined by his. Mother teresa stepped off of a bus in India at age 17, and saw a man on the sidewalk, too feeble to move, with worms crawling out of his neck. She became so overwhelmed with compassion that she pciked up the man and carried him to her place of lodging, and nursed him back to health. Then--what do you know--she just happened to run into someone else, in need of her love and touch. And then another. And another. This situational chain reaction became the story of her life--her calling. I wonder if God hasn't surrounded us with those in need for a reason. They bring us to the cross--to understand our very "calling" as individual and communal incarnations of Christ--inasmuch as we bring to them that which represents situational salvation. It is the people around us in everyday life--they are the catalysts for Christ's overwhelming, transcendent compassion and love to be stirred in and poured out through our lives.

If that is the case, I wonder how much of life and calling we miss while we wait for God to tell us what it should be? How much do we miss everyday, travelling between two points, focussed only on where we embarked and where we will arrive.



40 Years Old and Still Kickin'

Does one have to become a Christian in order to follow Jesus?

Provocative thought from Jon Reid :

The first Christ-followers were Jews. When Gentiles began following Jesus, it caused all sorts of problems. There were those who insisted that if you were going to follow Jesus, you had to become Jewish. ...Could Acts 15 be a pivotal story for our own time?

Took me a second to grasp, but what a great thought to marinate in. OOooooo...Brings up all sorts of questions.

Quoted by The Post Modern Pilgrim from "Jesus with Dirty Feet", provided by Mike Todd ::

"To really understand "Christianity" we have to go back to the beginning, to put first things first. For starters, Jesus was not a Christian. He never asked anyone to become a Christian, never built a steepled building, never drew up a theological treatise, never took an offering, never wore religious garments, never incorporated for tax purposes....

He simply called people to follow him. That's it. That, despite its simplicity, is it. He called people to follow him. They believed, followed, listened to, questioned, obeyed,
talked with, learned from and ultimately gave their lives to this character Jesus. That is Christianity.

All of those steepled buildings you see around town? Turns out none of them are churches. (Those signs out front certainly are misleading!) It turns out that church has never been a building. Church is all those Kingdom Dwellers put together. The plural of "Jesus Follower" is "church." Those steepled contraptions? Those are just how the church gets out of the rain."

God...I have to pick up that book.


Fun for the Critics

I guess I should write something entertaining so certain bloggers don't call me a lame. Here's the top Deep Thoughts of the day:

Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words - "mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.

I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.

I remember how my great-uncle Jerry would sit on the porch and whittle all day long. Once he whittled me a toy boat out of a larger toy boat I had. It was almost as good as the first one, except now it had bumpy whittle marks all over it. And no paint, because he had whittled off the paint.

It's sad that a family can be torn apart by something as simple as a pack of wild dogs.

Hope you were entertained. Feel free to hang out and interact...or go check out the thinkers and the entertainment menus.




Go read this post...and grapple silently with its beauty.


Ranting Times Two

Weary on a couple counts of ongoing travesty in the broad discussion of church rennovation.

I think that there needs to be a broad understanding of the difference between trends and movements. I'm finding that in some areas, progress of movement being destroyed because it is being misconstrued as trend. The dialogue of change and reconstruction within this group of searchers is not an experiment of trend. It is a movement that is embracing and reforming a worldview that has been around longer than most of us would like to admit. It is not a trend to be named, defined, placed, franchised. It is not a concept that a wrestless, pluralistic, unentertained generation developed. It is not a saturday evening "service", replete with candles and velvet table cloths that you add to your institution's roster of programs. It is the future. It is a complete rennovation of how we exist and relate to one another. What we see and aspire to currently is our process of moving into and embracing a future that humanity is already living in.

That said, do older worldviews and movements still exist? Absolutely.

So can we stop slapping our grandmothers and grandfathers and move on? The discussions on what the church has done wrong--while they teach us much--are growing a bit tiring. This world will accept many kinds. There will continue to be room for the tranditional, the contemporary, even the hyper-modern. Why? Because they all exist in a worldview that people will live in for some time. We do not need any more value judgements against what was, or even what is now. Our history was a necessary backdrop for our present and will be for our future. There is no "us and them". Can we stop writing our books on the evil archetypes of modernity and move on into our present and our future? I know many that have been blowing this horn for the last couple of years, and I respect them. They have taught me much. But i wonder if sometimes we find ourselves stuck in the rut of deconstruction because we are too afraid to create and imagine and live what is to come. And as this movement increases in momentum and number, we have got to find more compelling stories to share than the anti-stories we are telling of modernity passed. Stories of the now. Leave your grandparents alone. Celebrate what the past has shaped in you, and begin living in the future so that it will have something to offer those that will come.


A Story Like Ours

Just watched the "Shawshank Redmeption" again last night, into the wee hours of the morning. There was a resonance of the imagery of this movie and the task that we have at hand of re:[viewing, visiting, imagining, moving] our own institutionalization that I've never noticed before. It blew me away.

Here are some thoughts:

1. The wardon. He seems to be an ugly reflection of what a pastor can be. Ouch. He is in charge of the transformation, or rehabilitation, of all those that inhabit the cells. He does so with a nauseating piety and a heavy hand of self-motivated judgement. His favorite passage: "I am the light of the world..." I wonder what that says about his worldview. He is interested only in keeping people inside and under control. He does not take interest in the transformation of lives in Shawshank. No compassion whatsoever. It is mentioned of him, among other things, that he's tight-fisted with his money, and that the previous six wardons have been the same.
2. The Guards. They exist as regulators, the wardon's sub-leaders (hmmmmm...), to keep the peace and maintain control. Their lives are as corrupt as any of the prisoners--they "blashpeme' (as the wardon calls is), rob the inmates, beat them up, and murder them. Interesting. Just as corrupt, yet they wear different attire than the prisoners and act as if they are above the corruption. their relationship with those under their care is one based entirely out of fear. The prisoners could not be open with these guards, as we see the "new fish" try that in the beginning and get beat to death. The main arena for authentic relationship was on the playground of the guilty, the yard outside where everyone hung out; where everyone was accepted for who they were.
3. The prison. I'm not making any associations here... =) Built specifically to warehouse people from their arrival until their death. Built to keep people inside..."they send you here for life, and that is exactly what they take." wow. Once released from their prison, or rehabilitated, these inmates had no ability at all to reinsert themselves into the outside world. they are made to be totally dependent on the system--they could not live, and often chose not to live outside of it. "Prison life consists of routine and more routine." "These walls are funny--first you hate them, then you get used to them. then one day you realize you depend on them." It created a sense of fear of the outside , a fear of what doesn't immediately make sense. A fear of having no boundaries. "all i wanted was to go back to where things made sense...where i'm not afraid all of the time."
4. The intial introduction to the prison. They march prisoners in, hose them down with a firehose in some sort of rude cleansing ritual (hmmm...), and march them in naked before all of the other inmates. I'm sure I could spend a while here...
5. "Brooks". The character Brooks was great. older man, compassionate, dedicated, and completely unable to live outside the system. He was crippled by the system, unable to adapt to a world in which he was 50 years beind the times. wow. felt the need to establish his identity and leave his mark on life.
6. "Andy". He never gave up hope. "hope is a great thing, perhaps the greatest of things." his cell was his own prison. (Luke 5 : resonance of the hole...) I love his comments, "I was straight on the outside, I had to come in here to get crooked." and "get busy living, or get busy dying." Favorite passage, "Watch ye therefore, for you know not when the master cometh". Interesting.
7. "Red". Plenty of great lessons here, but what captured me the most was what happened when he was finally released. He kept considering taking his life, but somehow Andy saved him. But he was not with Red--Red was all alone. So how did Andy save him? What did he give Red that empowered him to embrace freedom and to truly find life??? [This is so big] I think it may have to do with the way that Andy invited Red to rediscover his place of belonging on the outside. He did it through invitation to a mystery. Wow. Invitation to discovery of that mystery, invitation to sharing a quest for new life in "a warm place without memory". I wonder what Red would have done had Andy just given him an answer...

Many more thoughts....Go see it again if you have a chance, and warm yourself by the fire of recycled life.

I cannot get enough of Leading Dying Churches. Darryl is blogging up a storm.


From Bene Diction this morning

"The key to this form of community involves holding a paradox - the paradox of having relationships in which we protect each other's aloneness. We must come together in ways that respect the solitude of the soul, that avoid the unconscious violence we do when we try to save each other, that evoke our capacity to hold another life without dishonouring its mystery, never trying to coerce the other into meeting our own needs" -- Parker Palmer - Let Your Life Speak

Beautiful reflection of the true.



Missin' You

Arrived at the blog early again this morning [like most mornings] and found beautiful thoughts on many friend's blogs, and had no time to reflect or blog on them. Too much work. Now that I've got a break in my day, here are some inspiring thoughts & stories from others.

"You can safely assume you've created God in your own image when it turns out God hates all the same people you do." -Anne Lamott, paraphrasing a priest friend Link via The Mute Troubadour

Mike Todd comes through again. Here he reflects on more from The Mute.

1) Is a "tentmaker;" does not rely on a local church/congregation for financial support. Will accept such support only if freely given, because it is right for God's people to support those who serve the Gospel of Christ (1 Corinthians 9:1-21).
2) Is spiritually motivated by Matthew 5 - 7; Matthew 28:20; John 1, 3, and 17; 1 Corinthians 12 - 13; Ephesians 5; and Philippians 2:3-11.
3) Is theologically and vocationally motivated by Matthew 25:31-46; Matthew 28:16-20; and especially Ephesians 4:4-16, and 2 Timothy 4:1-5.
4) Shepherds people to/with Christ by way of the scriptures and sacraments.
5) Christ-oriented, not career oriented. (The very notion of a "pastoral career" is a travesty of the word "pastor.")
6) Understands that love is self-giving, not sacrificial in the sense of "losing" something.
7) Clear sense of self in relationship to God and others.
8) Bound and abandoned to the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
9) Serves the demands of the Gospel, not those of people.
10) Understands the difference between church tradition and local custom(s), that customs are expendable while traditions are renewable.
11) Consciously works with the Holy Spirit in serving the Kingdom on earth.
12) Is a servant, not a manager; a servant, not a technician; a servant, not an entrepreneur; a servant, not a CEO, "senior minister/pastor", "coach", or "advisor."
13) Has banished the words "leader" and "leadership" from his/her self-understanding as to the pastors' role among God's people. (See #12.)
14) Has rejected the institutionalized church, but avidly seeks and works with the instituted Church, however it is manifested in this world.

I wonder if The Mute has any plans on detailing thoughts for the other functions of leadership in The Church. Sure would be nice to have.

Darren Friesen posts on a beautiful experience that I also happened to have today. I also have so much to learn...
I had a unique chance today to talk to a person who is on the verge of homelessness. His name is Wayne - 57 years old - married, and trying to find work. He came by the church looking for someone to talk to and a bite to eat. He was quite upset by the way a number of different "Christians" have treated him, not willing to give him anything to help him out or spend any time with him. He knows the bible well, and brought up how Jesus seemed to treat the poor with love and acceptance. As I was listening to him, I thought that it would be good for people in our church (as well as others) to listen to what he had to say. HIs perspective is needed, and I learned a lot from him. He hadn't eaten in a day and a half, so I got him some cookies and coffee, and $2 for the bus. I think he'll be back and I hope I can speak to him again. I have so much to learn.

Andrew Careaga solicits responses on the upcoming release of E-vangelism 2.0 : Bigger and Badder. Looks great Andrew. And yes, I WILL get around to reviewing it. =)

Jon Reid is back from vacation with the family. You were missed Jon. But did you miss anyone else?? No, no you didn't.

: : & there is so much more beauty in everyone I am blesseed to be surrounded by... But that is all for now. : :



Interesting that no one wanted to tackle the leadership/submission question. I suppose bantering back and forth on one's thoughts on baptism's eternal reprocussions is more productive...




Causing All Kinds of Trouble Today

Great discussion brewing at the Emerging Minister

Foreground From the E.M.
"There are some in my church who say, you cannot go to heaven unless you have been baptized. Our churches (Christian Churches / Church of Christ) generally holds to this theology... you must be baptized to be saved. I disagree in that (1) God alone decides who gets in... not us. (2) the thief on the cross wasn't baptized but Jesus promises Him just the same. Many in our leadership agree with me, some feel that you must. I feel that you definitely SHOULD, but if for some reason you don't, God is big enough to deal with that. What brought about our debate is good people who in other congregations in faith decided to be sprinkled... that's what they were told they should do, it was important and meaningful to them... now we're telling them it didn't count and they gotta get dunked to which they say... hang on, didn't I already do this? I'd be interested to hear your thoughts."

Comment from Jos'

"I agree with you, Greg. What say we just submit to what the senior pastor says?"

My Reply to the Sidestep

"Mmmmm..."What say we just submit to what the pastor says" ???

Maybe we should define "submission" before we digress too much further. Is submission merely the ommission of objection, or is submission better defined as laying down one's freedom of to "come under" the authority of a person/institution/nation. And maybe we should define the pastorate. What are pastors, what is their role, and how do they operate as part of the body of Christ?

I think this post from Jos' is about to birth a fun discussion.

It seem to me that :: As pastors, we are called to be servant of all, modeling the reflection of Christ through humility and sacrifice and love, not the disseminators of doctrine or the answer givers. maybe our role is to be poets. we are to tell our stories, and the stories of those around us; to illustrate the beauty/pain of a life that experiences God, and of a God that loves people. Our role is not to sell doctrine, but to be poetic visionaries, protectors, servant-leaders.

For a long time, I modeled David's "touch not God's annointed" as a co-follower and co-leader in the body of Christ, but i wonder if my well-intentioned submission was God-inspired, or an act of fear. That for me was the act of continually laying down my vision, my intellect, my decision making capability--and deferring to that of another, specifically one with a title that distinguished him as one having authority.

Now, w/o giving my thesis on emerging church leadership(which i can't give b/c i'm on a huge learning curve and will probably never develop a definitive one), i think it may suffice to say that we NEED to revisit our thoughts on what Christ like submission truly looks like. Was not Christ submitted? and yet his life was very subverse....i know we're not Christ, or are we? Are we to be "imitators"? reflections? incarnations?

I am not suggesting open debates with your leadership. Nor am i suggesting that we need a ton of self-involved self-proclaimed "leaders" running around in our communities serving their own vision and sense of purpose. things have to be done respectfully, in order, and perhaps most importantly--humbly and in love. BUT if your leadership is ALSO submitted, which they are called to be, then they will embraced the questions AND embrace taking time to struggle through them, rather than just prescribing the interpretive answer they've memorized. "Rebuke a wise man and he will love you". I am suggessting that maybe we, as leaders and as followers, need to begin to model a humble form of mutual submission within our communities. I am suggesting that leadership should no longer be a unilateral, centralized, coporate, top-down environment in these communities. It seems to me that we need to create a landscape of leadership that is decentralized, divested, and empowering.

Here's a great brain teaser:

"...and he gave some to be pastors, some teachers, some prophets, some apostles, and some evangelists."

I wonder how come the pastorial role has emerged as solely dominant, and the others have taken the back seat(if existent at all today in leadeship). Is our leadership inbalanced because of the partial or complete absence of the other four roles? What should leadership look like? BTW, anyone read Easum's "Leadership on the other side?"



Discussion on the Invisible Sun

Great post from Darren:

Blues, Beer, and the Kingdom of God

Here's a quote from a great article:

"The Kingdom of God is like the Blues Jam. It is a place where the reality of the human condition is not covered up by a set of un-written rules that keep us from sharing our real lives like in many churches today. Everyone is free to be who they are. Real care is displayed for each other. It is not a place where the standard answer to “How are you doing?” is “Fine.” You’re more likely to get an answer in language that would not be fit for a PG rated movie but is soaked and dripping with the real issues and messiness of life in the human condition. The Blues Jam is a place where a person like Bill can be ‘salt & light’ to Big Jim and his family. If Jesus were alive today, I expect I would find him down at the bar more regularly than at church."

I agree. If God is the pinnacle of love, then people who show his love are doing what he wants them to do, no matter where they are. In fact, it is often easier to love people in the "natural setting" of a bar than in the church.

Comment from Greg Silver:

Hey Darren, I can agree that seeing people in casual settings can make it easier for discussion. I can't agree though that the bar is often easier place to love people. I think that statement is somewhat dangerous to those who might be struggling with both bar life and church life and could be swayed either way. People are always looking for reasons to justify their actions and this blog may give them that reason.

I have been in the bar scene and what I have seen are many lost souls (including myself at one time). However, the thought of even having a meaningful conversation with someone at a bar I think would be almost counter-productive. I also think that throwing them into a church right away is also not necessarily the right way either. I would think a neutral ground such as coffee shops or restaurants are a much more "effective" way to share the gospel rather than a bar. As you know developing a relationship with a person is probably the most effective way for them to listen to you.

I think I've seen a trend that Christians are slowly conforming to worldly ways to try to reach the lost. Their intentions are right but I don't agree with their way of doing it. I believe we as Christians should be set apart, and in some ways be different (not just by our beliefs - but also our actions). We shouldn't have to make compromises, justifications or ungodly sacrifices to reach the lost. If we truly love people through God's eyes and stand firm in our beliefs and actions, sooner or later people will know of God's love.

I believe Leaders also have a greater responsibility to "watch where they walk and talk" as there are often many people who may be weak in their faith and are looking for guidance. If Jesus was walking with us today, he may very well go into a bar and lead someone to God, but we also have to remember that it's not a place for many people (especially the weak).

My Reply

interesting, greg. w/o providing complete hermeneutical dialogue to represent my total disaggreement (i am trying to learn not to use scripture to make "points" because (1) I don't think that God likes it when I do that, and (2) I am wondering if making "points" is even that important), i think it is interesting that Christ's social and missional life revolved almost entirely around eating and drinking(not grape juice).

you are certainly entitled to your beliefs, and are validated in that i believe there is room to believe that way, but i think it needs to be undersood that there is not a definitive understanding of just our role in social or missional practices, nor maybe should there be. if "all things are lawful", we need to discover what "things are profitable" for us specifically to be involved in--in our times and our communities. Maybe we don't individually need to become "all things to all people", but we need to recognize that maybe in our collective diversity we become just that. It seems to me that it may be worthwhile for you to ask the question, "what does it mean to share the gospel? what do i mean by 'share'? how do i share?"

if those questions are answered by answers you've known all of your life, or are answered by verbal apologetics/doma, or are summed up in telling someone what you believe in conversation with someone, hoping that they will be convinced by the spirit of God--then maybe bars aren't the right place for you. and it needs to be understood that that is perfectly ok. no one is saying you have to, or you are less of a god-seeker, or less intellectual. there is room for that belief.

BUT--- if the answers to those questions are not yet clear(praise God), or if you are experiencing a redefining of everything you once thought professed lived and taught(commonality with this virtual community)--then you may come to a different conclusion. you may begin to believe that Christ is not predominantly shared verbally. you may believe that he is watched as the incarnate in your life, experienced in relationship, touched through acquired faith, and eventually submitted to through the voluntary embrace of a prerson's life, rather than mental ascent to the bullet points of the Roman's Road.

this way of thinking(not THE way) provides a landscpae of life in which all environments are accpetable mission field. pubs happen to be fantastic here b/c they are some of the most highly attended social centres of community; the atmosphere is relatively authentic and uninvasive; and they are a great catalyst for ongoing relationship. if evangelism is not based on words or conversation (and it's fine if you disagree) than people's relative intellectual coherence is less of a block. people are people, and they will remember no matter how inebriated, your love and the mark you leave on their lives. we NEED to be visible--and not set apart in social circles or culture, but set apart in our love, and magnetic passion for a God that most people desperately want to encounter and believe/belong to.

What do yo think? I love these discussions, because there's almost something of a fear that evokes authentic responses. No matter how many times we discuss these topics, they are still fun and necessary to dialogue about. not to prove we're right, but to move on toward being good. Thanks Mike for making the distinction.

BTW Darren, thanks for not making the title of your blog, "The Invisible Son".



Buy it now! Discipleship version 6.0: Bigger and Better

I was thinking yesterday about the different discipleship couses that I've taken & taught and I began wondering...
When and why is it that discipleship became a class that you take in our churches? Who came up with that idea originally?
I found myself totally turned off by the realization that the concept/discipline of discpleship was gradually supported, modeled and taught in our communities not through shared life, but through an "elective" enterprise of texts and classes, through which mental ascent was offered to "what a disciple should : [look / act / think / live] like." Seriously--how could i not have noticed this before? How could I think that teaching people "how to be a disciple" in a classroom through books and interpretive doctrine sanctioned and endorsed by others would actuially prove to be transforming, in any meaningful way?

Arrgg. ugly questions, ugly answers. Thank you God for continuing to lend my heart to struggle over turning what has become words, back into flesh.



Find your Bloginality. I find myself among the few out there in the blogging community around me with an extroverted personality. Interesting. I wonder why that is...

think a few years back I classified myself as an ENTJ. Interestingly though, as I've undergone the mental and spiritual reformation of the last few years [that is still underway], I've been posturing myself as one that is an ENFP, and it is addicting. The bottom line has become less important, and process has become more so.

INFP's so far:
Darren Friesen
Mike Todd
Darren Rowse
Darryl Dash

According to bloginality, my ideal love-mate is an INFP or an INTJ. What do you think guys--any takers?




Guess where I'm taking my wife for our anniverary??? One week, June 26--July 3...

our room

right outside our room

big ol' pool

from the sky



"Steal This Movie!"

On my 35 minute drive to work this morning I was musing on a movie I saw a few months back called, "Steal This Movie!" It is a dramtic documentary of the life of the famous Chicago 7 radical, Abbie Hoffman, a man well recognized in the 60's and 70's as a figurehead for America's cultural revolution. The movie deals (as far as I would know) pretty fairly with the hippie revolution and life in protest. It is stunning to watch--as someone too young to remember much, if any of the movement that freed american society to more attractive bondage. But that is besides the point. Other than the amoral effigy which is strewn across the movie's landscape, i absolutely loved it. I loved it because I am infatuated by movement--which happens to be the same reason I love "Pay it Forward". I am infatuated by these movies, and men like Abbie Hoffman and Keith Green (bet you've never heard those two names in the same sentence before) because they gave their lives to movements. And maybe this is because my generation has never really been a part of one. I have dreamt, since I was a young boy, of movements that would encompass all peoples and languages and nations. One that would usurp entirely the dominant social / cultural palates, and surface as a unifying, empowering, globally transforming trend of thought and deed--completely fueled and sustained by the power of God. This dream of a global movement of transformation through the tangible Christ is what I am "passionate" about.

But I often question movement--not definitively, but situationally. And fortunately, so did Mark Riddle today. I question movement, because my peers and I have cried out for it for years. "we are going to change the world; we are going to continue what others started. we will not fail, where previous generations have failed. I don't know. Now that I have been completely jacked up over the last few years by what I now embrace as hollistic salvation, I am now almost immediately pessimistic when I hear talk of movement. I am one that has said, "lord, I am willing to drink of the cup that you drank of." And I am. Though I realize how impetuous it is claim that at all--because none of us can even consider the level of suffering that entails, but i am impetuous, so i suppose it is ok. In my culture, my city, though much is happening that IS good, I do not see a momentum being built of people giving their lives away in sacrifice and suffering to bear love to their neighbors. I--and granted, maybe I need more faith, or different faith--see people generally unconcerned with justice and love, generally indifferent to the lonely, generally overwhelmed with their own lives. And maybe i feel that way because i am ashamed that parts of my life have begun to slowly gravitate toward that camp of people. As if tempered by age and experience, I now give that hollow patronizing nod to those wrapped in excitement for "the revolution".

I am still one of the most excited people you could meet on the street, and will jump at any oppotunity to give my life away. But there is a cynicism of experience that I am now struggling with, and I am not sure whether I should struggle to embrace it, or struggle to ignore it. God, help me find my way through this.

Here's the issue for me. As Mark Riddle sarcastically puts it,

"It seems that thousands of college age students have a montra. Passion! We need more Passion! Many times we say this as a put down to other who are less passionate... generally in their worship or prayer lives. "I need to go to a church that's passionate!" "That makes me feel comfortable enough to worship God" I own Passion cd's from Passion conferences and passion bands. But as I look to the meaning of Passion. It's rooted in suffering and sacrifice. Do you want to see a passionate church? It's the one who sacrifices, the one who takes on the suffering of Christ as they serve."

I still have my dream. I am passionate--or at least am giving my life to become so. So i guess the final question for me becomes, "how many people with this understanding does it take to start movement? and maybe the answer is "one"--which is brilliantly illustrated by "Pay it Forward". If it just takes one, then what I am doing right now to carry that and pass it on--OUTSIDE of the messy little community of faith i serve? Hmmmm...

It is easy to get excited. It is difficult to convey a committment to sacrifice and suffering. God, help me continue to struggle with this. I know I need to. Grant me wisdom and faith and discernement for sharing life. teach me to love, and what it means to drink of Your cup. Give me strength to continue to fight this fight--and not against those fighting alongside me, and help me wisely use the influence you've given me to reflect your love and warm the water around me. I want to live at the centre of what you are doing in my culture, and I want to be a part of your subversive transformation in my world.




playground school bell rings again
rain clouds come to play again
has no one told you she's not breathing?
hello i'm your mind giving you someone to talk to

if i smile and don't believe
soon i know i'll wake from this dream
don't try to fix me i'm not broken
hello i'm the lie living for you so you can hide
don't cry

suddenly i know i'm not sleeping
hello i'm still here
all that's left of yesterday

© 2003 Wind-Up Records

I'm usually not into Top 40 bands--especially ones with annoying white boys rapping to hard alternative, but i've been listening to Evanescence now for about the last two weeks solid. I love these guys. That annoying guy is only on their single; only the girl sings on the rest of the album. It's pretty heavy; the entire album seems to deal with her struggle with God and herself. But in that, it is absolutely beautiful. She's quite a poetic songwriter, and her songs capture various moments of doubt and reconciliation in her life. The lyrics above have to be read while listening to the song--but they're fantastic. the song's dynamics seem to suggest a process of questioning that the writer has gone through in searching God, only to find that "suddenly i KNOW i am not sleeping [dreaming? imagining? manipulating?]."

Knowing that great art often requires ambiguity, i won't try to encapsulate her song into my paradigm. But i love it for its beauty, it's heaviness, and how it captures part of the heart of humankind in its struggle to be reconciled to the Creator.

Go pick it up--support bands like this that aren't just creating the next club sample/remix. Bands that are asking the tough questions, without giving immediate answers.



The Institute of Contemporary Urban Encounters

Fantastic site. Offers a beautiful conglomeration of international urban photography. Cheers to Brett for the link.

Great Comment at Signposts:

"The very fact that there are so many different "flavors" of wrappings to the Bible is absurd. I tried once to find a Bible that was just text - no cross-referencing, no liner notes, no nothing, and couldn't locate one in the store I was in. The whole business is built around interpretation."

Interesting...I've never thought about it that way. 'The whole business is based around interpretation'...I wonder what that says?


"A pastor should not complain about his congregation, certainly never to
people, but also not to God. A congregation has not been entrusted to him in
order that he should become its accuser before God and men."


God, teach me more.


The Latest of Selah Mikkel Williams

6 months old yesterday, and the pride of her mother and father's lives.



Happy 2nd birthday to the blog of Andrew Jones. The world is definitely a better place becuase of the ramblings of this lofty undernourished new zealander.


Go visit the Emerging Heretic--i mean Minister. Ha Ha. Great Discussion.


Loooooving me-ee, Is easy 'cause I'm beau-ti-ful

La la la la la...La la la la la...A self absorbed song for the superficial new look.
And in honor of the new look--Deep Thoughts:

--- We tend to scoff at the beliefs of the ancients. But we can't scoff at them personally, to their faces, and this is what annoys me.
--- Probably the earliest fly swatters were nothing more than some sort of striking surface attached to the end of a long stick.
--- If you ever teach a yodeling class, probably the hardest thing is to keep the students from just trying to yodel right off. You see, we build to that.

Jack Handey (aka Jack Handy)



Today's Lectio

My Lectio Divina is skipping around a bit. Conversation with a friend and mentor led me to John 20:21-23. The Story captivated me with imagery I had never noticed until this friend brought it to my attention.

21He spoke to them again and said, "Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I send you."
22Then he breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit.
23If you forgive anyone's sins, they are forgiven. If you refuse to forgive them, they are unforgiven."

As we are currently dialoguing on the issues of community and how it is embodied, this passage brings up immense, frightening, empowering questions. It says that Christ breathed on them and gave them the authority to forgive sins. WHAT?!? Does this mean we throw out the principles of "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins..." Absolutley. Just kidding. I don't think that's what Christ is saying...

Maybe there are two types of confession/forgiveness: vertical & horizontal. While i think i have a coherent grasp on vertical confession, i think that i am only beginning to understand the horizontal confession. As this conversation reminded me, an essential to community is authentic living--and that leading toward the carrying of each other's burdens. One primary way that churches across the nation attmpt to instill this sense of community and shared character building is through a concept we call "Accountability". Maybe this practice, as we know it currently, is not accountability at all.

Here's what i mean. Currently, we consider a group of people that meets once a week, and "bears everything" accountability. You ask/answer the tough questions, or at least pretend to. what we've created is, in a way, a guilt based mechanism still fueled by a desire to maintain "face" or image/ stature with people we are trying to live in "community" with. It seems that there are a couple things necessary to this revisiting of accountability within community.

1.) We are all broken and chained to the cross. this doesn't mean we are complacent with our issues, but share a commonality of sin and frailty/succeptibility with all of humanity. In other words, there is no guilt; there is non righteous. When we begin to move away from the cross, the masquerade of piety will begin to destroy community.
2.) We must insist that those we live communally with bear in our struggles with us, while they are happening. To truly be accountable is to establish covenant for change--a covenant that is living and breathing. to commit oneself at that level is not to commit to perfection, but to commit to the process change through inviting others into the process; specifically into the temptations--not just the failures. "_____, you gott help me out man. I've been thinking of going out and doing ______, and I know I'm going to do it unless something changes. I need your help." That's accountability. and it's nothing new. AA's been doing it--and very well-- for years.

The Cool part: there seems to be some sort of power in that horizontal confession which remains distinct from a vertical confession. not better or more delivering--just different. Now, I still have no idea where to place what Christ delivered to the disciples and how that is to be played out in my life. But i have a good idea that He is leading us toward living our lives in confession to one another, and that it's somehow necessary. I do not think, as some do, that it is necessary to go a man for forgiveness that God will grant you willingly should you come to him. But I wonder if there is also something about confessing openly to one another that is not only empowering, but necessary for true communally living.


I just spilled coffee down the front of my shirt. Probably payback for ripping on Andrew.


A big thank you to all of you that caned me without conscience over the last redesign attempt. I'm ready for round 2. Check it out and take your best shot.

Pathetic. All of you. I guess Im going to have to take the facelift public and see what kind of ridicule I can sustain.


Changing God's Mind

Interesting entry from the emerging minister. Check it out.

Last night I had a great conversation. Every Monday evening, I have the hall pass to spend a few late hours with a friend from The Bridge named Tommy Stork. Last night's conversation gave me a lot to think about. We spoke a lot about different mystics philosophers and authors that we are reading. Definitions in rhetoric and praxis of community seemed to dominate the conversation. I remember being particularly awed as he read one philospher's words (I cannot now [after 4 hours sleep] remember his name), "The more i talk about God--the more I lie. His very nature seems to resist definition." This thinker describes his journey of intimacy with the Father as one that has changed from referring to God in the positive sense--God is Father, God is Mother, God is Love, God is one...--to one that describes only what he knows God is not--evil, unloving, imperfect...

It was, at the time, a very refreshing thought (and remains so for the most part). I think that a problem for me is that the better I understand my own human limitations in exploring the mytery of God--those of language and time and mental capacity--the more inclined I am to dwell on those limitations, and allow my pursuit of the mystery to be undermined by my inability to ever understand. The infinite regress and progress of God's nature evokes a certain paralysis for thinkers that insist on "knowing" before "living". So, for me, while I will always wrestle with such deep philosophical questions, I won't allow myself to be pinned down by them. I am not sure if that is a lack of faith, or having faith. I continue to wrestle with them because:

1.) I believe that I am given to wrestle;
2.) I believe that such tensions renew my life;
3.) I believe that the mystery of God's nature is beautiful, and my mere recognition and exploration of that vast mystery adds beauty to my life.

Inasmuch as finite is not removed from the infinite--but a part of it, so can we as finite beings obtain limited perspective of the Infinte One. Imagine how much more of the puzzle of the ineffable God we could understand(though still not scratching the surface) if we valued and embraced the imagery of humanity's search for Him. I'm just thinking out loud, but if the Creator is interacting on many different levels with all of his creation, then maybe by listening to other stories and imagery of divine experience, we might have a more beautiful understanding of and appreciation for the Essence we worship.


04/01/2003 - 05/01/2003   05/01/2003 - 06/01/2003   06/01/2003 - 07/01/2003   07/01/2003 - 08/01/2003   08/01/2003 - 09/01/2003   09/01/2003 - 10/01/2003   10/01/2003 - 11/01/2003   11/01/2003 - 12/01/2003   12/01/2003 - 01/01/2004   01/01/2004 - 02/01/2004   02/01/2004 - 03/01/2004   03/01/2004 - 04/01/2004   04/01/2004 - 05/01/2004   05/01/2004 - 06/01/2004   10/01/2004 - 11/01/2004   11/01/2004 - 12/01/2004   12/01/2004 - 01/01/2005   01/01/2005 - 02/01/2005   02/01/2005 - 03/01/2005   03/01/2005 - 04/01/2005   05/01/2005 - 06/01/2005   06/01/2005 - 07/01/2005   10/01/2005 - 11/01/2005   12/01/2005 - 01/01/2006  

This page is powered by Blogger. Isn't yours?